We’ve heard Kanye West talk a lot about his ambitions beyond music, but for those looking for nerdy rap talk, and only nerdy rap talk, check out his appearance on the latest episode of the Juan Epstein podcast. Hosted by Hot 97 DJ Peter Rosenberg and Cipha Sounds, the hour-long episode saw Kanye talk about his beginnings as a producer, his equipment preferences, meeting Michael Jackson and J Dilla, why he doesn’t care about radio music and more. Listen below.